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rcxdude 10 hours ago [-]
The irony is, given the UK's single energy market and the bottlenecks moving that energy down from Scotland, building datacenters further south will push up Scotland's energy prices as well, more so than if they were built locally.
ZeroGravitas 7 hours ago [-]
Datacentres can in theory reduce bills.
They're a large, mostly well-behaved grid load which lets you spread fixed costs over more units of electricity.
The problems start when they are being built by well connected entities that can leverage their power to simply demand that other people pay more to give them a discount.
Very similar to the shopping around factories do. Usually a factory brings jobs and other good stuff, but you don't get the factory unless you do X, Y and Z in competition with all the other possible locations. That can lead to a winners curse where you're effectively subsidizing the factory and losing out overall if you "win" the auction.
palmotea 6 hours ago [-]
> They're a large, mostly well-behaved grid load which lets you spread fixed costs over more units of electricity.
Is that true of AI datacenters? I recently read an article that talked about one that dynamically would spin up gas turbine generators based on compute load.
rozab 9 hours ago [-]
And yet here we are, still subsidizing steelworks in England, and Scottish people are paying the cost in their electricity bills.
Scotland's abundant local energy resources should be spent on things that actually benefit Scotland and provide jobs.
comrade1234 10 hours ago [-]
They raise your electricity costs and employ relatively few people and send the profits elsewhere.
ndsipa_pomu 5 hours ago [-]
Don't forget about water usage (likely not an issue in Scotland), blighting the landscape (very much an issue) and probably discharging pollution into waterways as well as the inevitable noise pollution.
yanhangyhy 11 hours ago [-]
why dont they build the datacenters far away from people/village/towns?
rcxdude 10 hours ago [-]
More difficult to built, more difficult to get permission, ironically, and presumably the datacenters are planning to employ some people so they'll want to live at least somewhat nearby.
yanhangyhy 10 hours ago [-]
but since they have so many objection now. learn from china's approch? https://japantoday.com/category/tech/china-goes-rural-with-d... (from what i learned it should be build datacents far away -> attract people to work nearby, not the other way around)
even it cost more, but still better thant the current situation?
ndsipa_pomu 5 hours ago [-]
> build datacents far away -> attract people to work nearby
Probably not feasible if the remote area has no public services. You'd be wanting some people to move to an area without schools, shops, doctors, hospitals etc. I can imagine that appealing to nature lovers, but would they be wanting to work in a soul destroying hyperscale datacentre?
afpx 9 hours ago [-]
Too easy to destroy if they're outside of population centers - soon they'll be building them under hospitals and orphanages
cyber_kinetist 11 hours ago [-]
Which counteracts with the EU's desire to have any kind of sovereign AI. Guess you have to lose something if you want to earn something...
mzajc 11 hours ago [-]
Scotland is not a member of the EU since brexit.
josefritzishere 7 hours ago [-]
I think we can just call them AI surveillance centers. This isn't the usual fare anymore.
They're a large, mostly well-behaved grid load which lets you spread fixed costs over more units of electricity.
The problems start when they are being built by well connected entities that can leverage their power to simply demand that other people pay more to give them a discount.
Very similar to the shopping around factories do. Usually a factory brings jobs and other good stuff, but you don't get the factory unless you do X, Y and Z in competition with all the other possible locations. That can lead to a winners curse where you're effectively subsidizing the factory and losing out overall if you "win" the auction.
Is that true of AI datacenters? I recently read an article that talked about one that dynamically would spin up gas turbine generators based on compute load.
Scotland's abundant local energy resources should be spent on things that actually benefit Scotland and provide jobs.
even it cost more, but still better thant the current situation?
Probably not feasible if the remote area has no public services. You'd be wanting some people to move to an area without schools, shops, doctors, hospitals etc. I can imagine that appealing to nature lovers, but would they be wanting to work in a soul destroying hyperscale datacentre?